Tuesday, July 25, 2006
Songwriters
Paste Magazine put out a Top 100 list of living songwriters in their latest issue. You can see the list online here:
http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article?article_id=3003
So, naturally, it inspired me to make my own list. Assumptions: (a) I left mine open to those living or long gone on (b) I knew I didn't want to include too many bands. I think great songwriting means that one person could get up in front of a room full of people with an acoustic guitar, no accompaniment, and still have the crowd completely mesmerized for an hour or two (c) that said, I included two bands, REM and U2. First, I think they are arguably the two greatest bands of my generation. Second, I think they have incredible songwriting chemistry within the group, as though they were one songwriter in 3 or 4 bodies. Third, I think good songwriting can be taken out of context and still work. For example, I love the bands Sonic Youth and Modest Mouse, but I don't consider them great songwriters because if their songs were taken out of context then they wouldn't still be great songs at heart. (d) I started by ranking these but decided to leave numbers off because I just couldn't stand the quibbling. So, you have a list, roughly in order from best to not as good, but no numbers. (e) I'm embarassingly poorly versed in a bunch of people that probably belong on here like Springsteen, Costello, Bowie, Cat Stevens, Jackson Browne, Haggard, to name a few. Sorry. Here goes...
-Townes Van Zandt - Okay, this one was easy. He's hands down my favorite songwriter ever. He's got a huge catalog and very, very little of it sucks. In fact, I can't think of one song that he has written that I just can't listen to. Okay, one just came to mind called 'Talkin Karate Blues'. He's not that great at the talkin blues numbers. But otherwise, everything else is phenomenal. His "hits" were 'Pancho and Lefty' recorded by Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard and 'If I Needed You' recorded by Emmylou Harris and Don Williams. But this just barely scrapes the surface. He believed that a song had to start as a poem on the page first, and it shows in his lyrics. Check out the lyrics to 'To Live Is To Fly'.
-Will Oldham - Aka Palace, Palace Music, Palace Brothers, Palace Songs, Bonnie 'Prince' Billy. I got hooked after hearing two songs - 'Ohio River Boat Song' and 'You Will Miss Me When I Burn'. Another VERY prolific songwriter who rarely does anything that isn't fantastic. I really don't understand why everyone who has ever written about the alt-country genre mentions Uncle Tupelo and Whiskeytown but you never hear about Will Oldham who's been around just as long and is SERIOUSLY alt country. This is the guy who, for me personally, opened me up to the more country, folksy songwriting world. And I'm sure he's done the same for countless others out there who love him.
-Ryan Adams - Again, very prolific. Although, he's got some stinkers out there. Still, I really respect his eclecticism. He can morph into so many genres and still write impeccably crafted tunes. Try 'La Cienega Just Smiled' or 'Come Pick Me Up'. Going to see him tonight at the Bijou Theatre. YAYY!!!
-A.P. Carter - So many classic songs are attributed to AP Carter of the famous Carter Family. He traveled far and wide to find the old melodies and songs and ballads that were passed down orally and were still being sung in the southern Appalachians. Thank God for AP Carter and his work.
-Gillian Welch - Try 'Everything is Free' or 'One More Dollar'
-REM
-Bob Dylan
-Morrissey (The Smiths) - Most of The Smiths songs are attributed to Morrissey/Marr but since Morrissey has gone on to do good solo work and Johnny Marr (as much as I love his guitar work) has dropped off the map, I'm gonna give most of the credit to Moz.
-Neil Young
-Woody Guthrie - Everyone today wants to be Bob Dylan. Well, Bob Dylan wanted to be Woody Guthrie.
-Hank Williams - My personal favorite is 'So Lonesome I Could Cry'
-Johnny Cash
-Greg Dulli (Afghan Whigs, The Twilight Singers)
-Lucinda Williams - Possibly the sexiest voice ever
-Steve Earle
-Jay Farrar - Jeff Tweedy secretly wishes he could write songs as well as Jay
-Elliot Smith - I have a theory that if you're the type that would stab yourself to death and you know how to play guitar, that most likely some good songs will come out of you at some point. I'm not advocating stabbing yourself in order to become a great songwriter, I'm just saying that the sentiment probably correlates with creating great art.
-Jeff Mangum (Neutral Milk Hotel) - This guy gets the benefit of the doubt based solely on one album, From the Aeroplane Over the Sea. It's that good of an album.
-Robert Earl Keen - Do yourself a favor and go see one of this guy's shows. Good times are had by all. Try 'The Road Goes on Forever' or 'Gringo Honeymoon'
-U2
-The main dude from Belle and Sebastian
-John Hartford - 'Gentle On My Mind' and 'Work in Tall Buildings'
-Kurt Cobain - Not a big Nirvana fan, but this guy could write a song.
-Lou Reed
-Gram Parsons - This guy has so many good songs, especially when you consider that he OD'ed (I think) at the age of 26 (I think). Try 'Hickory Wind' and 'A Song For You'
-The main dude from Yo La Tengo
-Scott Miller - Knoxville's own. But, believe me, this songwriter can hang with the big boys on this list. I'm not just being a homer on this one.
-Dwight Yoakam - Try 'Two Doors Down'
-Jeff Tweedy
-Black Francis - Aka Charles Thompson, Frank Black, the Pixies frontman
-The main dude from the Decemberists - The lyrics on the Picaresque album are unbelievable. If this guy is not on MFA I'll kiss your ass.
-John Prine - Try 'Speed of the Sound of Loneliness' or 'Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore'
-Willie Nelson
-Conor Oberst (Bright Eyes) - A little melodramatic for my taste, but he's got an uncanny ability to turn complex lyrics into rich and interesting vocal melodies.
-Jim James (My Morning Jacket)
-Guy Clark - Try 'L.A. Freeway' or 'Dublin Blues', which has one of my favorite lines ever: "I have seen the David, seen the Mona Lisa too, and I have heard Doc Watson play Colombus Stockade Blues"
-Nick Drake - Try 'Pink Moon', aka 'The Song in that Volkswagon Commercial'
-Kathleen Edwards
-Beck
-Eric Bachmann (Crooked Fingers, Archers of Loaf)
-Lou Barlow
-Stephen Malkmus (Pavement) - I haven't heard any of his solo work that has really impressed me, but others like it.
-Loretta Lynn
-J Mascis - Ok, I'm sort of stretching here. J is one of my guitar heroes and he writes a pretty decent song, but...
-Damien Jurado - I've heard just barely enough of this guy to know I like his style and he's got some songwriting chops. He's lo-fi, sort of like The Mountain Goats, but I like him a lot better.
-Slaid Cleaves - If you make a name for yourself as a songwriter in Austin then you are doing something right.
-Paul Simon
-Aimee Mann
-Chan Marshall (Cat Power)
I'd like to include two people based solely on one song each:
-Kris Kristofferson - 'Sunday Morning Coming Down'
-Jackson Browne - 'Late for the Sky'
I'd also like to include two local (Johnson City) songwriting hereos of mine:
Martha Scanlon - Reeltime Travelers, now solo. Try 'Hallelujah' or 'Little Bird of Heaven'. She's won the Merlefest songwriting competition for 'Hallelujah'
Sam Quinn/Jill Andrews - The Everybodyfields. Sam also won the Merlefest songwriting competition for 'Damn the TVA'. Also, try 'Good to Be Home'
Okay, that's what I could come up with off the top of my head. Who am I missing?
http://www.pastemagazine.com/action/article?article_id=3003
So, naturally, it inspired me to make my own list. Assumptions: (a) I left mine open to those living or long gone on (b) I knew I didn't want to include too many bands. I think great songwriting means that one person could get up in front of a room full of people with an acoustic guitar, no accompaniment, and still have the crowd completely mesmerized for an hour or two (c) that said, I included two bands, REM and U2. First, I think they are arguably the two greatest bands of my generation. Second, I think they have incredible songwriting chemistry within the group, as though they were one songwriter in 3 or 4 bodies. Third, I think good songwriting can be taken out of context and still work. For example, I love the bands Sonic Youth and Modest Mouse, but I don't consider them great songwriters because if their songs were taken out of context then they wouldn't still be great songs at heart. (d) I started by ranking these but decided to leave numbers off because I just couldn't stand the quibbling. So, you have a list, roughly in order from best to not as good, but no numbers. (e) I'm embarassingly poorly versed in a bunch of people that probably belong on here like Springsteen, Costello, Bowie, Cat Stevens, Jackson Browne, Haggard, to name a few. Sorry. Here goes...
-Townes Van Zandt - Okay, this one was easy. He's hands down my favorite songwriter ever. He's got a huge catalog and very, very little of it sucks. In fact, I can't think of one song that he has written that I just can't listen to. Okay, one just came to mind called 'Talkin Karate Blues'. He's not that great at the talkin blues numbers. But otherwise, everything else is phenomenal. His "hits" were 'Pancho and Lefty' recorded by Willie Nelson and Merle Haggard and 'If I Needed You' recorded by Emmylou Harris and Don Williams. But this just barely scrapes the surface. He believed that a song had to start as a poem on the page first, and it shows in his lyrics. Check out the lyrics to 'To Live Is To Fly'.
-Will Oldham - Aka Palace, Palace Music, Palace Brothers, Palace Songs, Bonnie 'Prince' Billy. I got hooked after hearing two songs - 'Ohio River Boat Song' and 'You Will Miss Me When I Burn'. Another VERY prolific songwriter who rarely does anything that isn't fantastic. I really don't understand why everyone who has ever written about the alt-country genre mentions Uncle Tupelo and Whiskeytown but you never hear about Will Oldham who's been around just as long and is SERIOUSLY alt country. This is the guy who, for me personally, opened me up to the more country, folksy songwriting world. And I'm sure he's done the same for countless others out there who love him.
-Ryan Adams - Again, very prolific. Although, he's got some stinkers out there. Still, I really respect his eclecticism. He can morph into so many genres and still write impeccably crafted tunes. Try 'La Cienega Just Smiled' or 'Come Pick Me Up'. Going to see him tonight at the Bijou Theatre. YAYY!!!
-A.P. Carter - So many classic songs are attributed to AP Carter of the famous Carter Family. He traveled far and wide to find the old melodies and songs and ballads that were passed down orally and were still being sung in the southern Appalachians. Thank God for AP Carter and his work.
-Gillian Welch - Try 'Everything is Free' or 'One More Dollar'
-REM
-Bob Dylan
-Morrissey (The Smiths) - Most of The Smiths songs are attributed to Morrissey/Marr but since Morrissey has gone on to do good solo work and Johnny Marr (as much as I love his guitar work) has dropped off the map, I'm gonna give most of the credit to Moz.
-Neil Young
-Woody Guthrie - Everyone today wants to be Bob Dylan. Well, Bob Dylan wanted to be Woody Guthrie.
-Hank Williams - My personal favorite is 'So Lonesome I Could Cry'
-Johnny Cash
-Greg Dulli (Afghan Whigs, The Twilight Singers)
-Lucinda Williams - Possibly the sexiest voice ever
-Steve Earle
-Jay Farrar - Jeff Tweedy secretly wishes he could write songs as well as Jay
-Elliot Smith - I have a theory that if you're the type that would stab yourself to death and you know how to play guitar, that most likely some good songs will come out of you at some point. I'm not advocating stabbing yourself in order to become a great songwriter, I'm just saying that the sentiment probably correlates with creating great art.
-Jeff Mangum (Neutral Milk Hotel) - This guy gets the benefit of the doubt based solely on one album, From the Aeroplane Over the Sea. It's that good of an album.
-Robert Earl Keen - Do yourself a favor and go see one of this guy's shows. Good times are had by all. Try 'The Road Goes on Forever' or 'Gringo Honeymoon'
-U2
-The main dude from Belle and Sebastian
-John Hartford - 'Gentle On My Mind' and 'Work in Tall Buildings'
-Kurt Cobain - Not a big Nirvana fan, but this guy could write a song.
-Lou Reed
-Gram Parsons - This guy has so many good songs, especially when you consider that he OD'ed (I think) at the age of 26 (I think). Try 'Hickory Wind' and 'A Song For You'
-The main dude from Yo La Tengo
-Scott Miller - Knoxville's own. But, believe me, this songwriter can hang with the big boys on this list. I'm not just being a homer on this one.
-Dwight Yoakam - Try 'Two Doors Down'
-Jeff Tweedy
-Black Francis - Aka Charles Thompson, Frank Black, the Pixies frontman
-The main dude from the Decemberists - The lyrics on the Picaresque album are unbelievable. If this guy is not on MFA I'll kiss your ass.
-John Prine - Try 'Speed of the Sound of Loneliness' or 'Your Flag Decal Won't Get You Into Heaven Anymore'
-Willie Nelson
-Conor Oberst (Bright Eyes) - A little melodramatic for my taste, but he's got an uncanny ability to turn complex lyrics into rich and interesting vocal melodies.
-Jim James (My Morning Jacket)
-Guy Clark - Try 'L.A. Freeway' or 'Dublin Blues', which has one of my favorite lines ever: "I have seen the David, seen the Mona Lisa too, and I have heard Doc Watson play Colombus Stockade Blues"
-Nick Drake - Try 'Pink Moon', aka 'The Song in that Volkswagon Commercial'
-Kathleen Edwards
-Beck
-Eric Bachmann (Crooked Fingers, Archers of Loaf)
-Lou Barlow
-Stephen Malkmus (Pavement) - I haven't heard any of his solo work that has really impressed me, but others like it.
-Loretta Lynn
-J Mascis - Ok, I'm sort of stretching here. J is one of my guitar heroes and he writes a pretty decent song, but...
-Damien Jurado - I've heard just barely enough of this guy to know I like his style and he's got some songwriting chops. He's lo-fi, sort of like The Mountain Goats, but I like him a lot better.
-Slaid Cleaves - If you make a name for yourself as a songwriter in Austin then you are doing something right.
-Paul Simon
-Aimee Mann
-Chan Marshall (Cat Power)
I'd like to include two people based solely on one song each:
-Kris Kristofferson - 'Sunday Morning Coming Down'
-Jackson Browne - 'Late for the Sky'
I'd also like to include two local (Johnson City) songwriting hereos of mine:
Martha Scanlon - Reeltime Travelers, now solo. Try 'Hallelujah' or 'Little Bird of Heaven'. She's won the Merlefest songwriting competition for 'Hallelujah'
Sam Quinn/Jill Andrews - The Everybodyfields. Sam also won the Merlefest songwriting competition for 'Damn the TVA'. Also, try 'Good to Be Home'
Okay, that's what I could come up with off the top of my head. Who am I missing?
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No, I don't mean that that is Kristofferson's only good song. I'm just not familiar enough with his catalog. What I'm saying is that all I know is that he wrote Sunday Morning and based on hearing that one song, which is so phenomenal, I'm willing to mention him as a great songwriter.
here's who i think you've missed (i don't know some of who you've got from the rock genre, but i trust your opinion):
(1) norman blake - "last train from poor valley", "church street blues", etc. (2) van morrison for the moondance album(although i'm not crazy about the title song), tupelo honey and astral weeks albums (3) peter rowan for all his bluegrass ('high lonesome sound') and folky tunes (check out 'before the streets were paved') (4) i think jerry garcia and robert hunter as a pair might be an addition for some of their grateful dead songs... (5) i'd like to add some oldtime musicians like tommy jarrell, but they mainly took old songs and added verses or put verses together (but ap carter made it to your list, so maybe...). (6) i think uncle dave macon should easily be added in this vein (check out 'jordan am a hard road to travel' orginially by dan emmett - i can't get over how true these lyrics are today even though he recorded it in the late 20s). in terms of kris kristofferson, when i was in high school i bought a cassette "willie nelson sings kris kristofferson" and nearly wore it out. if you all don't have this one, get it. speaking of willie, he's a good choice.. anybody that wrote the song that is recognized as the most played on jukeboxes belongs ("crazy"), but the 'red headed stranger' album would put him there easily too (although he didn't write every track). and i know it is cliche' but bob dylan belongs closer to the top, i can't believe how extensive his catalogue is, and his best stuff was written when he was 19 and 20 years old. i really want to say things like steve earle's "stand on top of bob dylan's coffee table" comment, but holy shit, if you listen to those early dylan albums (freewillin' bob dylan, times they are changing), they will give you chills given the current political regime. put him up there with townes. if someone else comes to me, i'll post another comment. hope you guys are doing well. wish you, amy, erin, and p would come up to va... we could play some music and spend some time in the woods.
(1) norman blake - "last train from poor valley", "church street blues", etc. (2) van morrison for the moondance album(although i'm not crazy about the title song), tupelo honey and astral weeks albums (3) peter rowan for all his bluegrass ('high lonesome sound') and folky tunes (check out 'before the streets were paved') (4) i think jerry garcia and robert hunter as a pair might be an addition for some of their grateful dead songs... (5) i'd like to add some oldtime musicians like tommy jarrell, but they mainly took old songs and added verses or put verses together (but ap carter made it to your list, so maybe...). (6) i think uncle dave macon should easily be added in this vein (check out 'jordan am a hard road to travel' orginially by dan emmett - i can't get over how true these lyrics are today even though he recorded it in the late 20s). in terms of kris kristofferson, when i was in high school i bought a cassette "willie nelson sings kris kristofferson" and nearly wore it out. if you all don't have this one, get it. speaking of willie, he's a good choice.. anybody that wrote the song that is recognized as the most played on jukeboxes belongs ("crazy"), but the 'red headed stranger' album would put him there easily too (although he didn't write every track). and i know it is cliche' but bob dylan belongs closer to the top, i can't believe how extensive his catalogue is, and his best stuff was written when he was 19 and 20 years old. i really want to say things like steve earle's "stand on top of bob dylan's coffee table" comment, but holy shit, if you listen to those early dylan albums (freewillin' bob dylan, times they are changing), they will give you chills given the current political regime. put him up there with townes. if someone else comes to me, i'll post another comment. hope you guys are doing well. wish you, amy, erin, and p would come up to va... we could play some music and spend some time in the woods.
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: 2:15 PM
: 2:15 PM
one more just came to me... greg brown. check out the album "the live one" if you don't have it. "canned goods", "worrisome years", "spring wind", "blue car" - he has some great songs... we saw him in denver and melissa literally went to sleep, but he can write some damn good songs.
# posted by : 2:21 PM
: 2:21 PM
Wow, apparently this was a topic of some interest. Glad to see all y'all are still around.
Thanks for those suggestions Travis. The Grateful Dead came to mind, but I wasn't educated enough on who wrote what for them. Whoever wrote Friend of the Devil should be on there.
Bob dylan would probably be up there with Townes if he had OD'ed or stabbed himself to death in the early 70's, but after getting old and making crappy records (not to mention appearing in a Victoria's Secret ad) can't help but taint you. Really the same goes for Neil Young.
Thanks for those suggestions Travis. The Grateful Dead came to mind, but I wasn't educated enough on who wrote what for them. Whoever wrote Friend of the Devil should be on there.
Bob dylan would probably be up there with Townes if he had OD'ed or stabbed himself to death in the early 70's, but after getting old and making crappy records (not to mention appearing in a Victoria's Secret ad) can't help but taint you. Really the same goes for Neil Young.
ryan adams is a stone-cold ROCK STAR. he's arrogant and hilarious. i heard that recording on NPR. loved it! too prolific, but hey, i'll take it if he's dishing it out. have you heard come pick me up? (swoon)
# posted by : 5:15 PM
: 5:15 PM
I'm not discounting them at all. They are #7 and #9 on my list of all time greatest songwriters ahead of Woody Effin Guthrie and Hank By God Williams. All I'm saying is that if Neil Young and Bob Dylan had bowed out gracefully before sucking they would be #2 and #3. You can't go from being the Woody Guthrie of the sixties to selling bras and panties and not fall a couple of spots.
norman blake also wrote 'ginseng sullivan' - another great tune - where is he on your list? if you're using "stand up in front of people with a guitar and entertain" as a driving variable in this decision, norman blake has to be up there, no?
dave macon too.
woody guthrie's middle name was wilson, not effin, wasn't it? :)
i respect the dylan placement. after all, they didn't let pete rose into the baseball hall of fame, right?
dave macon too.
woody guthrie's middle name was wilson, not effin, wasn't it? :)
i respect the dylan placement. after all, they didn't let pete rose into the baseball hall of fame, right?
# posted by : 9:56 PM
: 9:56 PM
I've been meaning to get more into Norman Blake for a long time. Last Train from Poor Valley is a classic.
I thought of someone else who should have been on my list last night - Bill Monroe.
I like the Dylan analogy, thanks.
I thought of someone else who should have been on my list last night - Bill Monroe.
I like the Dylan analogy, thanks.
bill monroe - i didn't even think of him. pretty shameful.
i have a bunch of norman blake -'whiskey before breakfast' is a good place to start, but the first blake and rice album is really good too, as is 'back home in sulfur springs'. he's got a lot of good stuff. he actually attends a little church in north georgia where my uncle started preaching. during a homecoming sunday, my uncle rusty was invited to come preach and ended up playing a bunch of old gospel songs. norman blake jumped up and played along with him. i think i was more excited to hear the story than my uncle was in the experience. when i have the time, i'll try to pull some good ones together for you.
i have a bunch of norman blake -'whiskey before breakfast' is a good place to start, but the first blake and rice album is really good too, as is 'back home in sulfur springs'. he's got a lot of good stuff. he actually attends a little church in north georgia where my uncle started preaching. during a homecoming sunday, my uncle rusty was invited to come preach and ended up playing a bunch of old gospel songs. norman blake jumped up and played along with him. i think i was more excited to hear the story than my uncle was in the experience. when i have the time, i'll try to pull some good ones together for you.
# posted by : 9:05 AM
: 9:05 AM
have you all checked out
http://johnhartford.org/
if you go to the videos section, you can watch some pretty good performances. check out reeltime's fiddler, heidi claire lamber. i went down to jc to see her play the down home a few weeks ago. it was amazing.
http://johnhartford.org/
if you go to the videos section, you can watch some pretty good performances. check out reeltime's fiddler, heidi claire lamber. i went down to jc to see her play the down home a few weeks ago. it was amazing.
# posted by : 5:20 PM
: 5:20 PM
i finished my field work yesterday until sept. so one more post.
check out steve earle's taped set on that johnhartford.org site.
check out steve earle's taped set on that johnhartford.org site.
# posted by : 5:26 PM
: 5:26 PM
been a long time since i've looked here. are you still selling that digital recorder? hope you all are doing well.
# posted by : 1:23 PM
: 1:23 PM
hey travis,
Nope I sold it to a guy I work with who's gonna use it to record and playback sound effects for Oak Ridge Playhouse productions. Kinda cool.
Merry Christmas!
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Nope I sold it to a guy I work with who's gonna use it to record and playback sound effects for Oak Ridge Playhouse productions. Kinda cool.
Merry Christmas!
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